A review gone wrong

I recently saw a review of Kubuntu 10.04 that was posted yesterday. In my opinion, this review is overly harsh of Kubuntu 10.04, and totally misses the mark by focusing by and large on things that the average user would not care about. Obviously, as a Kubuntu Core Developer I am to a degree biased. However, this doesn’t mean I can’t have an opinion, nor that I cannot try to objectively respond to criticisms of Kubuntu. The review has some valid criticisms, I’ll admit, but by and large I feel that the reviewer’s subjectivity  compromised the quality of his review.

The Introduction

Ironically, the first portion of the review basically says that everything is generally solid,  polished and integrated,  stating in particular that  “[The Kubuntu installation process] should not present any problems for experienced or inexperienced users”. While this would be obvious coming from a Kubuntu developer, I agree with his sentiments.😛

Branding? Who cares?

It is then that the review goes south. Next up in his review, he says how the login screen looks “generic”. While the KDM theme could perhaps benefit from a prominent Kubuntu logo up top, we are the only that will be using this theme, at least until KDE 4.5. This is because this theme is a custom development from Kubuntu. It was created to help maintain a consistent look-and-feel with the rest of the KDE artwork for seamless integration, as well as to solve a few usability issues the previous theme had. What user would care if the login screen didn’t say “KUBUNTU™ © ® LLC,,. esq. SPONSORED BY CANONICAL LTD” in large letters across the login screen? It is a unique piece of artwork that melds in seamlessly with the rest of KDE while at the same time offering a more usable login experience. It’s also configurable. Just sayin’

Look-and-Feel

The subjectivity dial gets bumped up to eleven in the next portion of the review. The reviewer complains that the default Qt theme, Oxygen, is “bland and dull”. Hmm, guess he wouldn’t like most distributions, perhaps with the exception of Mandriva. This is totally a taste thing. Many people like Oxygen. Some don’t. You can’t justify giving a distribution a 2.5/5 for not liking the default theme, a central part of the KDE identity that 3/4 of the most used KDE distributions share. (In no particular order, Mandriva, openSUSE, Fedora and Kubuntu.) I myself don’t like Ia Ora as a Qt theme, but Mandriva is still a very solid KDE implementation that is doing some pretty neat things on the frontiers of the semantic desktop. Once again, all of this is highly configurable.

Next, the reviewer goes off on a rant about look-and-feel that I just don’t understand. In his opinion, Kubuntu, for the sake of being part of the Ubuntu family, should try its hardest to emulate Ubuntu. It is clear here that the reviewer has totally missed the purpose of Kubuntu, which is to provide an easy-to-use KDE implementation over the core of Ubuntu. A KDE implementation that mimics GNOME, while definitely possible, would totally be abandoning the design principles of KDE. A KDE implementation meant to mimic GNOME would be redundant.

While he’s at it, the reviewer goes on the “Canonical must be plastered on every bit of chrome” rant in regards to the desktop, despite the fact that there’s a nice Kubuntu logo right in the applications menu. I’d bet good money that most users of either Ubuntu or Kubuntu have never heard of Canonical, so why should they care if Canonical is not plastered everywhere? Placing a Kubuntu logo in the wallpaper would detract from the artwork, and placing a Kubuntu logo as the Kickoff button itself would cause brand pollution for the KDE brand. Average users would run the risk of confusing the KDE and Kubuntu brands, which isn’t beneficial for either party. It should be noted that we include a Kubuntu-KMenu icon in the default install for power users.

Yes, Package Mangement Sucks

For his rant about KPackageKit, I agree. In my opinion, the lack of having a dead-easy package management system is one of Kubuntu’s greatest detractions; a blemish on an otherwise very easy-to-use (but not necessary simplistic) product. Currently, we’re in a bit of a bind in regards to package management. KPackageKit is currently the only maintained KDE package manager that supports dpkg-based systems at the moment. While the PackageKit itself has become much more robust compared to a year ago, it still has several flaws by design. In addition, while the KPackageKit UI itself is not necessarily bad, it doesn’t quite compare to the ease-of-use that previous package managers such as Adept or new package managers such as the Ubuntu Software Center have. As it stands though, package management is going to be a major topic at the upcoming Ubuntu Developer’s Summit for the Maverick Meerkat cycle.  I have a bit of exciting stuff to share when that rolls around, to be sure.🙂

Default Application Selection

Turning back to the review, the reviewer complains about the lack of inclusion of PiTiVi. While I admit that a video editor being installed by default would be very nice, the obvious problem with doing so is CD space. Being a GNOME app, PiTiVi would drag a bunch of GNOME dependencies on the Live CD that we don’t have room for. Language packs, for example, are a much better use of disk space than a video editor. Providing a localized desktop for as many people as possible without relying on the internet to download language support after the install is certainly a higher priority. But what really got a chuckle out of me was this quote: “If it’s available in Ubuntu 10.04 then why not have it available in Kubuntu 10.04?” The reviewer obviously failed to do his homework, as all the software available in Ubuntu is also available for Kubuntu. This is a gross inaccuracy, as PiTiVi is most definitely available for Kubuntu. Stating that PiTiVi and the Ubuntu Software Center are completely unavailable from Kubuntu (As he does on the last page) is highly ignorant and irresponsible on the part of the reviewer.

Next up, the user proclaims that there is no photo editor in Kubuntu. This is not necessarily true either, as Gwenview does offer simple photo editing features. Then, the reviewer makes a declaration that because Gwibber is not in the default install, that Kubuntu has no social networking capabilities whatsoever. This is the final nail in the coffin, showing how biased and out-of-touch the review is. Kubuntu does, and has since Kubuntu 9.10, included the KDE microblogging widget on the default desktop. The only thing I can think of, is that the widget doesn’t show on the default desktop if there is no room on the desktop for it, as can happen with small enough VirtualBox windows. A total failure in doing  the necessary homework.

Conclusion

In conclusion, this is an absolutely braindead, irresponsible, misleading and inaccurate portrayal of Kubuntu from an obviously biased reviewer who appears to be out of touch of what the average user wants. The review gives Kubuntu a 2.5 out of 5 for the reviewer not liking KDE. This is even though he barely had anything bad to say about Kubuntu other than package management, and even praised Kubuntu for integration in the areas of Firefox and restricted extras installation! I would not take this review seriously at all, as it is factually flawed and has been corrupted to the point where it is mostly unredeemable.

Perhaps I shouldn’t even validate reviews that lack any credibility such as this one with a response, but this is the first hit for “Kubuntu 10.04 review” on Google, and I had to get this off of my chest.

On that note, please enjoy Kubuntu 10.04 for what really matters: Being a solid, polished KDE implementation bringing out the best in KDE.

55 Responses to A review gone wrong

  1. Jonathan says:

    Jon,

    The one thing I don’t understand is if gwibber is part of the default install of Ubuntu, then when isn’t choqoK installed by default?

    • echidnaman says:

      The current stable release of Choqok is buggy by the Choqok author’s own admission, and the current release in the Kubuntu archive is a prerelease version. (Upstream asked us to include the prerelease, but it wouldn’t really be a good idea to put it in the default install)

      The KDE Microblogging plasmoid should be sufficient for everybody not running VirtualBox or a system with a 800×600 px screen resolution, however.

  2. Jim says:

    Nice rebuttal, Jonathan. You made some good points.

    You might want to add some subheadings to it though in italics or bold to make it easier for readers to hop around and see what it’s each part of it.

    • echidnaman says:

      Hello Jim,

      Terribly sorry your comment didn’t appear earlier. WordPress’s antispam system decided to classify your comment as spam.:/

      I’ve taken your suggestion in regards to subject heading, and for that I thank you.
      I would also like to thank you for not taking this rebuttal personally, even though I’ll admit it did get a bit heated at the end…

      Sincerely,
      Jonathan

  3. Tom says:

    I am still on 9.10 with KDE SC 4.4. I tried Lucid in a virtual box and it seemed very fine (although it seems to have much higher mem usage).

    That guy is a stupid biased troll and has an axe to grind for some reason.

    As for the software center. Why not provide apturl link on kde-apps.org. Talk to frank, he is probably happy to add that. That might help in a lot of situation. (Good short term solution with lots of community)

    But I guess your software center thing will be much cooler anyways🙂

    • “Talk to Frank” is UK drug abuse help line =) make it funny to read =) make it sound “are you nuts? nobody would be happy to add that….”

      “Talk to Frank” are running msn bots as well =)

  4. cedric says:

    I agree with oxygen theme but not for same reason.

    I find stupid not to use qtcurve has qt theme as it’s gtk default theme.

  5. WindPower says:

    I agree with most of what you said, but would like to take the guy’s defense a bit. Say you’re new to Linux/Ubuntu/etc and want to try it out because you’ve seen your friends and stuff showing their desktops around and fancy software store and social integration and whatnot. Then you’ll associate Ubuntu with these things and will expect them to be in Ubuntu. Then they look up about Ubuntu and somehow find Kubuntu; will their expectations change? No, they will still expect a Software Center, a custom Ubuntu theme, social applications, etc.
    Sure, all the Ubuntu Gnome apps are available in the repos, but without a decent software center it’s hard to find them.

    • echidnaman says:

      Ah, but would they really be able to determine whether the Kubuntu theme was custom or not? Presumably, Ubuntu would be their first introduction to Linux, so if they happened to stumble upon Kubuntu the theme they encountered would be unique. As the artwork is generally pretty slick and consistent, I don’t believe that any average Joe would be disappointed with the experience.

      I did concede the package management point, but the rest of the review is irresponsible ignorance at best. (Social Applications are included by default, by the way. As I explained in the post, the reviewer failed to notice this because he tested the review in Virtual Box with a resolution below the system requirements he gave in his own review.)

      So yeah, he has a point with package management, but the majority of the review is just him giving us shit over not liking KDE, as well as his careless reviewing.

  6. Hein van Rensburg says:

    Well Jonathan, Today I moved to Ubuntu after 6 years because I just could not reconcile myself further with the problems in Kubuntu. Every release seems to go backwards.

    The latest saga is the PIM which is so bad I just have no words for it. It is a piece of software many of us uses many times a day, but is has now become unusable. Akonadi makes a 780K vcard a 60M monster and KDE call that progress.

    I spend many hours in the last few months to try and make a difference by reporting problems and doing testing on all versions of 10.04. One out of 10 problems I reported was fixed and I thought they were all important for a good release. Well I was disappointed.

    I agree that the reviewer is very biased, but will say at the same time that you are just not right in calling K10.4 a polished piece of software. I fact it is so bad in the key area of the PIM that it is dangerous to use as it destroys and modifies valuable data. There is no easy way store, migrate and save the PIM data and now that is going to also work with our emails and appointments in Akonadi. Akonadi should be scrapped. It is a very bad idea.
    really depend on is broken in 10.04. Not a Stirling release to say the least. I will not recommended it to my customers and friends because they will be sorely disappointed.

    So, not well done Kubuntu and KDE. It almost cannot be worse.

    Sorry for my rant, but I feel I should comment after your article. Your comments is just as biased as his.

    • echidnaman says:

      It is unfortunate that upstream has handed us a pretty much undistributable Akonadi, but there is not much to be done about that. This is more of a failing from Akonadi than of Kubuntu.

      • Jonas says:

        I cannot say I have trouble with Akonadi (but I use suse 11.2). But one possible source can be AppArmor. If the profiles are wrong, the local mysqld will not work and so will Akonadi.

      • Akonadi is not “undistributable” (as Jonas says, it works fine in OpenSuse 11.2).

        Akonadi is a framework which does rely on MySQL and Nepomuk, those need to have a proper setup. The most common Akonadi problem seems to be a non-working setup, which is indeed a bit complex as so many services are involved. Normally, everything should be automatic though.

        We have created a README file for packagers, see http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdepim/README.packagers?view=markup. This README gives some setup guidelines.

        We indeed had some problems, like issues with the auto-start of Nepomuk and the resulting messageboxes, which by now is solved and backported I think.

        To improve the user experience, we’d very much like to work together with distributions if there are any problems.
        Please come to #akonadi so we can improve things, but don’t just state that Akonadi is “undistributable”.

      • echidnaman says:

        openSUSE 11.2 was released before much of anything used Akonadi. (And one anecdotal account from a power user does not really count as evidence) As for your readme, all it says is to make sure you use MySQL and Nepomuk and things should magically work. If it only it were that simple. But since MySQL itself is by no means perfect, this is very much untrue. Maybe it works fine with your own little setup with which you develop on after sufficient fiddling, but that is far from working on a setup which has to be distributed to millions of users.

        But even though Kubuntu as a distribution did work with Akonadi upstream to remediate the fixed issues you mentioned, the length of time it took to get these issues resolved left no time to resolve further issues found with the Akonadi stack between then and release. For example, users of slower computers often experience Akonadi failure due to heavy disk activity causing MySQL to take a while to start. Trust me, we spent a lot of time notifying upstream of problems and waiting for solutions, but the stack upon which Akonadi is built was just too flaky for upstream to support in any timely manner.

        By making core components such as PIM storage depend on such flaky layers that only work on your computer, you in reality are releasing something which is undistributable. This is especially unnerving since the non-Akonadi versions of these applications worked fine in the past, and the current Akonadi-based offerings are dwarfed in comparison. Until such components are developed in a responsible manner, Akonadi is most definitely undistributable. I just fear for KMail in KDE 4.5.

      • David says:

        Since it was pretty much undistributable, then maybe you shouldn’t have distributed it.

      • echidnaman says:

        Because shipping a KDE distribution without something so basic an addressbook manager is a really good idea?

  7. Jef Spaleta says:

    I have a question. If his subjective statements based on personal taste were praise instead of criticism would you have reacted as strongly? Would you have felt compelled to call the reviewer out about relying subjective bias to form an opinion if that opinion were favorable?

    I would suggest that this sort of subjective review is in fact…the norm… for the majority of software reviews that infest the internet. It just happens that you are more sensitive to subjective negative feedback than to subjective positive feedback. Take a real close look on what most blogger reviewers focus on software release to release…and its primarily the subjective personal taste stuff. The lack of quality software reviews is a real problem. And if you want to see it fixed, then you need to call out reviewers for relying on subjective taste regardless of whether its positive or negative commentary….not just the negative ones.

    -jef

    • echidnaman says:

      Well, I would have to say that I would be more receptive to positive review. There’s no reason not to admit it. (Or at least, no way you could convince anybody of that.😛
      However.

      I am on a regular basis disappointed that many of these subjective-positive reviews lack any substance whatsoever. While these reviews don’t do quite as much damage as inaccurate reviews (except perhaps for creating false expectation), they don’t really do much for me, personally.

  8. Efe Ciftci says:

    What I find funny in his review is; he seems to have seen and used Microblogging plasmoid in his previous Kubuntu reviews but totally missed its presence in Lucid🙂

  9. Hein van Rensburg says:

    Yes I agree. This a general KDE fault. It is throughout all the distros which use 4.4.2.

    Me, I had enough after 6 years.

  10. Alex says:

    I feel like Kubuntu (and KDE in general, to a degree) is always just short of greatness. It always seems like the whole thing just needs a bit more work. It’s a little frustrating. I would do something about it if I had time. However, I don’t. What I do have is a bit of money to spare. I wish I could pledge it toward a specific project. Maybe KDE and Kubuntu should set up some donation campaigns like Krita did for Lukáš Tvrdý’s work? I think kickstarter.com could help a lot there, at least in terms of infrastructure. I think I could spare at least $100 dollars per year for such projects.

  11. Darryl says:

    I too thought that review seemed a bit harsh. The 2 biggest peeves I have with Kubuntu are:
    1. How it handles GTK app appearance. Wouldn’t it be nice if by default Gnome/GTK apps would look the same as the rest of the KDE apps. Currently the only way I’ve gotten this to work without any hassles, is by using Oxygen-Molecule from kde-look.org
    2. Inclusion of a fully functional package manager such as Synaptic.

    • echidnaman says:

      Last time I checked Oxygen-Molecule didn’t support KDE color schemes, since it is a pixmap-based theme. While not pixel-perfect, QtCurve does at least give GTK+ apps a similar look-and-feel while retaining basic requirements such as following the user’s selected color scheme.

      • Mackenzie says:

        Isn’t the default setting to force GTK+ apps to masquerade as having the default Qt theme? I know there are limitations to it (Qt can have round corners on menus, GTK+ can’t, IIRC), but it’s pretty decent if you’ve not got a magnifying glass looking at each individual pixel.

      • echidnaman says:

        Yes, by the use of the QtCurve GTK+ theme. Since there’s a QtCurve Qt theme we could technically use it for KDE as well, but then we’d have to give up Oxgyen sexiness for something similar but not quite on par.

  12. Mackenzie says:

    Funny he complains about the buttons being on the right. Everybody bitches about the buttons being on the left in Ubuntu, and we go “hey look! We’re not doing that silliness!” and then get shit for not matching? Is it possible to win??

    • Jef Spaleta says:

      No. Its not possible to win. Because there is no one correct design for all implementations to meet. And when inconsistency shows up across interface boundaries a subjective choice is made on whether to think of that inconsistency as a differentiating enhancement or an interoperability failing…or a non-issue.

      It’s reasonable to assume that anyone who thinks leftist window buttons are an enhancement have to logically think that right-wing buttons are a failing. And vice-versa. It’s a difficult trap to avoid…even when you don’t have a vested interested in being trivially sensationalist.

      It’s important to note that it’s in the best interest of the software reviewer who wrote this article to sensationalize otherwise trivial differences to drive readership. That’s true for most of them.

      The fact that the review pushed Jonathan’s buttons enough to prompt a response is going to drive additional eyeballs to that review even though its not a very good review in a lot of ways. The reviewer got exactly what he wanted. Would Jonathan have broadcasted his reaction to this review if it had been a well-reasoned, sober article that was able to adequately portray the relationship between Kubuntu and Ubuntu and Canonical? Would you have ended up reading it otherwise?

      -jef

  13. KubuntuFan1 says:

    How can be auto-declared a stable release if there are parts of the main Plasma settings like “Share” widgets that is broken?

  14. Jan says:

    I think nobody else said it, so I will…
    It’s *Mandriva*😛

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  16. davemc says:

    I posted a few times in that tripe of a review before reading this response. I don’t have a problem with a negative Kubuntu review as long as its technically sound, but it became fairly obvious that this guy does not even know what KDE is let alone GNOME. IMO, put this guys blog on /ignore and never go to that website again.

    Kubuntu does have some KDE related issues (probably mostly upstream), and the lack of branding is truly unprofessional and a VERY poor decision on your part. Kubuntu is a part of the Ubuntu project and should have a common theme throughout all projects (Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Mythbuntu, Edubuntu). For years Kubuntu has been called the “red headed bastard step child” by the ignorant, unwashed masses (like Lynch) for this reason alone really.

    You cant stand your project on the merits of KDE upstream alone and expect that any credit for the work that you have done will go where its deserved. The fact is that you guys did do a great job on this release, but because you fall back on KDE upstream for all the top level stuff (which is what people actually see) it looks like you just slapped KDE base and apps on top of Ubuntu base and called it a day!

    • lelamal says:

      > but it became fairly obvious that this guy does not even know what KDE is let alone GNOME. IMO, put this guys blog on /ignore and never go to that website again.

      As a commenter on his own blog brilliantly put it: “Honestly, you should be forced to install Windows and live with it”. =) Seriously, almost all of the cons he listed (and all their consequences in the foreseeable future) made me switch from Ubuntu to Kubuntu before RC was even out.

      And since I’m at it, while most people normally don’t get a chance to do this with the developers of the operating system they’re running (if not when they buy it), I’m happy to have the freedom to be even able to thank Jonathan and everyone else behind Kubuntu 10.04 for all their efforts: Lucid Lynx is an awesome release! Keep up the good work.

    • Mackenzie says:

      I thought the phrase “blue-headed step-child” was coined by one of the Kubuntu developers?

  17. Dion Moult says:

    There is however one thing I do agree with the guy about – the default wallpaper “Ethais” is disgusting.

    Other than that, his arguments fall short.

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  19. Kubuntiac says:

    Aye. Ethais is as hideous as Air was magnificent. I congratulate you on resisting the tempation to modify KDE’s branding in general, but where such talented artists as the Oxygen team put out something like Ethais… well, there’s always the exception worth overlooking.

    Obviously including Pitivi (plus a million gnome deps) would be stupid, but what about Kdenlive? It’s stability issues are no more than Pitivi’s and it’s acDE based🙂

    As to the package manager, I’d suggest looking into Shaman. True, it’s *primarily* developed for ArchLinux, but it’s designed to plug different backends (like dpkg) into it. This would give you some really advanced features, while only developing a backend plugin, not a whole package manager.

    • echidnaman says:

      Kdenlive isn’t exactly light itself… it would increase the live CD size by a whopping 16 MB.

      Shaman isn’t ready (yet) for a bunch of reasons. First of all, it’s not really usable with APT/dpkg yet. You’d be better off using PackageKit in terms of functionality. Second, the Shaman GUI itself is in playground. In addition, as it stands the interface is full of lingo/user-unreadable strings and really isn’t any more usable than KPackageKit is at the moment. As a culmination of these issues, switching to Shaman would be, yet again, Kubuntu jumping on the latest crack that has promised to solve the world’s woes package-manager-wise since a small-but-vocal group of power users has been evangelizing its potential. We did this in the past after power users moaned for us to dump Adept for the immature-but-promised-to-solve-the-universe PackageKit. And look where that got us. Yeah. Patience is a virtue.

      I’ll blog more on Package Management in about a week and a half, though.🙂
      …and the future will not necessarily be without Shaman, for the power users that may want it.😉

      • WhE says:

        Hello all.
        During this summer I will be working on Qt-based frontend for aptitude as my GSoC project.
        I will be glad to read your thoughts about your package manager of dreams.
        Maybe some of them will be real in after summer😉

      • glad says:

        Shaman isn’t even ready for Arch Linux yet. On Arch Linux they dumped Shaman1 for Shaman2 several months ago and I have been unable to see any improvements since then, which is a pity since the GUI of Shaman is much better than the GUI of KPackageKit. Therefore I don’t recommend replacing KPackageKit with Shaman yet. Anyway I do not mourn Adept, since IMHO its interface sucked even more than that of KPackageKit, only the updater was good (and actually much better than the updater of KPackageKit). Currently I use apt-get and synaptic (which is still better than anything else). I don’t like the Ubuntu Software Center either.

      • Kubuntiac says:

        Ok. Maybe Kdenlive is too heavy. Personally, my feeling is that all the FOSS video editors are still too buggy to put on a default CD, but that Kdenlive would *probably* be the lightest due to not having Gnome deps. Maybe I was wrong.

        I mentioned Shaman, not to say that it’s the panacea, but rather because if you’re talking about writing a new package manager from scratch, that taking something where you only need to create the APT / dpkg plugin might (keyword: might!) be faster / easier. While I’m no power user (I actually rather *like* Kpackagekit🙂 I have often wished that I didn’t have to wait for a big package download/install to finish before I could request the next one. I liked the sound of Shaman (with some backend help) being able to do this.

        Anyway, I’m just trying to throw some ideas into the ring. I love what you guys have done with 10.04 and trust that you’ll make 10.10 the best package management ever. Thanks for all your improvements to date!

  20. Kubuntiac says:

    Oh, while my above post may not make it obvious, I stand by my nickname. I *love* my Kubuntu! 10.04 is definitely the best yet. Slick. Stable. Easy. Beautiful.

    Ignore the trolls. Rock on!🙂

  21. Astreek says:

    You are right, that review was a piece of s**t, very subjective.

    And, yes, PackageKit 0.5 is still not the best in package managers for dpkg. What about Shaman 2?

  22. Jens says:

    Current branding is very fine for me, not on every widget but still visible. Also I like the use standard oxygen and not that unlovely decos from previous releases.
    But one thing I must admit: switching to kpackagekit was the best you could do. This crappy python adapt-thingy was only slow, slow, slow; it was reading from harddisk all the time. As I still do packagamanagment with aptitude, I now like the notifications from kpackagekit about available updates and install them with it.
    I don’t see why the average user must have a video editor in default install at all, but I don’t want to see a bunch of gnome dependencies in a smart KDE desktop why I have choosen Kubuntu for.

  23. Dante says:

    I will admit, I’ve had some problems myself with Kubuntu; 10.04 in particular causing the Nouvua driver to fail at boot up (trying to get my hands on a camera to pin it up on the bug tracker)

    But 10.04 has been wonderful, it feels like a brand new toy.

    Now, if someone could find out why the desktop and netbook editions draw in far more power….

  24. Fri13 says:

    That was just a personal rant from reviewer. Made by person who did not even actually test the Kubuntu 10.04 as what would be its problems in long term usage. Now just bashing it down with themes, default set of apps etc, is just proof that reviewer does not even understand what distribution really means and how the different distributions should be taked.

  25. Gerardo says:

    I like Kubuntu very much more since the Kubuntu logo and colors aren’t as dominant as in earlier Kubuntu versions (regarding the KDE 3.x releases of Kubuntu) … the look of KDE is beautiful and nice fine-tuned – so, many thanks for letting it as it is!🙂

  26. Gurdu says:

    Anything running KDE 4.* should not deserve more than 1 star out of 5, to be merciful.
    4.* is the nail on the coffin of KDE, Trolltech/Nokia should better focus on Qt in the sense of providing a decent widgetset, and leave aside the whole desktop stuff ASAP!

  27. Gurdu says:

    “Your comment is awaiting moderation.”
    Oh, I know it will not be published!
    KDE 4.* criticism is getting consistently censored by Qt zealots (or from Nokia management???) since the 4.* disaster.
    But notwithstanding the censorship KDE is consistently losing users, developers, credibility and ratings are free-falling everywhere.

    • echidnaman says:

      Heh, or it could be that this criticism is not so widespread as you’d like to believe.
      Believe me, I have no ties to Nokia. This is just a criticism of a review, because, as the author put it, there was nothing wrong with the distro, just perceived branding issues. Even those with low opinions of how branding is handled admit that there’s nothing severely wrong with Kubuntu.

    • echidnaman says:

      And, as a note, all first-time posters are put in the moderation queue. After the first approval, all subsequent comments will not be subject to the queue.

  28. Styx says:

    A late reply, but I recently installed Kubuntu and read that ridiculous review, so I was glad to see this reaction to it. I am not going to repeat what has been said, just want to add that after using opensuse/Kde for a long time, I am really impressed by how well Kubuntu works. Almost all problems I had with suse (which I have spent hours after hours trying to solve) are gone in Kubuntu… I can hardly believe it ! And 10 minutes to adjust the visuals to my likings is time well spent (and I had to do that in suse as well). But wait, maybe I should go back to suse because it offers better branding…. not !🙂

  29. michael says:

    I also came to this review-rebuttal late in the game. I’ve been fairly anti-KDE4 for a long time, but after some recent distro-hopping and trying out the newest dot-releases of KDE4, I began really liking it. It doesn’t hurt that KWin plays more nicely with my Intel video card now and I can do full-screen video without horizontal tearing (like I’d been able to do under Compiz since Karmic), but frankly, that had kept me from considering KDE4 as a main DE.

    Kubuntu really is a vanilla KDE4-based distro — and I mean that in a GOOD way. Would I like there to be more artwork beyond the anemic Ethais theme? Sure. If only there was some one-line command I could use to spice things up, I don’t know, something like “sudo aptitude install kdeartwork”.😉

    Seriously, good work.

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